God's covenant to the Jews does NOT extend to GAZA (Ancient Philistia), even though it applies to the rest of the land of the 12 tribes

Gaza and The Bible

Gaza Strip and the Bible

UNITED NATIONS, American Money & THE PALESTINIANS

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Gaza and The Bible

 (Evangelical Leaders Delude followers ?) 

The "New" P.A./PLO World

 COMMENTARIES ON Gaza & WEST BANK EXPULSION - 

There is much more to be said...we will post more as we have time in upcoming days & weeks 

"Friends don't let friends commit suicide"
Comments on the effects of the GAZA Expulsion of Jews

Yossi Beilin, former justice minister and chairman of the Yahad/Meretz Party: "There is a concrete danger that following the disengagement, the violence will greatly increase in the West Bank in order to achieve the same thing as was achieved in Gaza." 

Shlomo Ben-Ami, former foreign minister, Labor Party: "A unilateral retreat perpetuates Israel's image as a country that runs away under pressure... In Fatah and Hamas, they will assume that they must prepare for their third intifada - this time in [the West Bank]." 

Ami Ayalon, former General Security Service chief: "Retreat without getting anything in return is liable to be interpreted by some of the Palestinians as surrender.... There is a high chance that shortly after the disengagement, the violence will be renewed." 

Eitan Ben-Eliyahu, former Air Force commander: "There is no chance that the disengagement will guarantee long-term stability. The plan as it stands can only lead to a renewal of terrorism." 



"For states as for individuals, the rule should be that friends don't let friends commit suicide. It's not too late for the U.S. to discourage Israel from doing just that by abandoning Gaza and parts of the West Bank under present circumstances — and the lessons of Londonistan make clear that we must."  Frank Gaffney Jr - Jul 05

Israel's religious crisis over Gaza Expulsion plan 

Aug 11/05 - BBC - The decision by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to pull Israeli settlers out of the Gaza Strip and part of the West Bank has shaken Israel's Orthodox Jewish community to its foundations. 

Never before has an Israeli government relinquished what the religious population universally regards as holy land, promised to the Jews by God. 

The move challenges core religious beliefs, leaving many Orthodox Jews - soldiers among them - in spiritual turmoil and clamouring for guidance as to how to respond. 

The answer could determine whether or not the disengagement is carried out amid rebellion in the army and public unrest. 

"No doubt this is one of the most critical questions which the Israeli population has ever faced since the establishment of the state in 1948," Hebrew University law professor Eliav Shochetman told the BBC News website. 

"The question of ceding land is in dispute among rabbinical authorities. According to some of the rabbis, it is not permissible to give away the 'Land of Israel' to another sovereignty, while according to other rabbis it is permissible under certain circumstances." 

Story Here

Events in Israel & Gaza

Commentary on Gaza and The Bible

WHAT JEWS SHOULD UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE
CONCLUSIONS OF CHRISTIANS

 Disengagement Plan: EXPELLING THE JEWS   

Part I - What Christians Believe

Part II - What this means for the GAZA DISENGAGEMENT PLAN

We are taking the step of explaining what Christians actually believe, and how this specifically applies to Jews. The reason is that we would like observers of Christians and Christianity to understand, just how to tell whether or not a person would support the Jews and the Jewish Homeland, based on their theology. 

It is possible to understand this and also to understand which questions to ask in order to find this out. But many who are not Christians do not know which questions to ask or what theological answers to look for, in order to find out a person's position on Israel. We have posted the information below so that people can find this out and then decide for themselves.

Part I (below) may not seem to be related to the issue of GAZA, but actually it is CENTRAL, because it informs people of what kind of Christians will - or will not - support Israel, its homeland, and its right to exist. This kind of information will be important - for the rest of your life, and these are permanent standards and questions. 

(By Now, it should occur to people, that the issue of whether or not the Jews will be allowed to stay WITHIN the 1948 borders of Israel...is becoming a question for debate. The theory that the world would simply agree that the Jews should have the right to their own homeland in the Middle East...is no longer a settled question. (Here is our position). The idea of a few Elites that Jews would finally have peace if only they gave up the West Bank and GAZA will turn out to be entirely false. The hardcore Islamic organizations will continue to give the impression of a "Forced Jewish Retreat" from historic Judea, Galilee and Samaria). As this debate grows, knowing who is on one side or the other becomes rather important. 

We are not asking anyone to agree with us, and everyone will make up their own mind in anycase. But the information below might resolve some of the confusion that observers have about What Christianity teaches and affirms concerning those who are Jewish. 

Part I - What Christians Believe

LITERAL versus LIBERAL

Just to begin, we know and understand that there is a traditional and classic definition of liberal, in the sense of one who is open to honest intellectual inquiry, intellectual consistency and the pursuit of the nobler causes and goals in life. Unfortunately, we are not referring here to THAT definition of Liberal. 

We are referring below to what is known as a "theological" liberal. In practical terms within Christianity, a  "theological" liberal is a person who claims that they are Christian, but then constantly undermine the use of the Bible [for themselves or others] in order to arrive at decisions in Life or circumstances.

Jews understand that Christians divide along certain theological lines, but many of them do not understand just what the division lines are. 

Here are the dividing lines and how to tell them apart:

1. Christians who are Protestant Conservatives

2. Christians who are Protestant Liberals

There is the "standard" understanding that Religious people can be understood by their denominational label.

That is no longer true and we will explain why

 Basically, it used to be that talking to one "Presbyterian" meant that one was talking with "All" of them, in the sense that - in the past - there existed a Homogenous (standard) understanding of A. Doctrine B. Worldview and C. Conclusions, that almost all who were Presbyterians agreed on the SAME Theology and Conclusions. 

This was largely true until the 1940s. After the 1940s, the Homogenous Breakdown begins to occur and accelerates. The 1960s decimated the traditional alignments within religious denominations, concerning A. Doctrines and C. Conclusions. 

For Reasons we will try to explain, Conservative Christians will defend 

1. The Right of the Jewish People to be in the Land of Historic Israel

2. The Land Grant given by God to the twelve tribes of Israel. 

3. The actions of the government of Israel to secure the rights and possessions of the CIVILIANS under the jurisdiction of the Nation-State of Israel

Liberal Christians (or who call themselves "Christians") will defend:

1. arguments of  Moral Equivalency between a. the State of Israel responding to Terrorism, and b. the PLO/Palestinian leadership and their right to attack and bomb civilians and civilian targets. 

2. the obligation of Israel to be quiet about the specifics of civilian death and for everyone to be silenced in favor of Peace Treaties to be signed. 

3. a presumption that Peace treaties which are signed by the P.A. will automatically be upheld, merely because the PA has SAID that it has agreed to make an effort for Peace. 

4. an implied condemnation of Israel for attempting to found its State by harming "Native" palestinian bedouin arabs

5. usually a presumption that if Israel exists, it must not be acting democratically towards the Palestinians, even though thousands upon thousands of Palestinian Arabs vote in Israel right now and in Israeli Elections since 1948 (a fact that the Media in the West omit in their news coverage).

A Literal Belief in the Bible

For Better or Worse, here is the Conclusion - ahead of time: Christians who believe in a Literal Jesus Christ, and that He came to save them, believe in their Bibles and the commandments of Universal Love - LITERALLY - believe and defend the Jews AND their Right to the Land in Israel. Christians (who SAY they are Christians) who DENY that the Bible should be taken LITERALLY will NOT Defend the Right of the Jews to live in Israel - as though the Land Grant were either a. Sacred or b. from God ...because Liberal Christians are not sure that the Bible can be trusted.

A Literal Belief in the Bible means 

a. Respect for everyone of EVERY Race and Ethnic background and origin.

b. a Commandment to Love one's Neighbor (as well as strangers, co-workers, friends, etc)

c. an effort to get along with others in society as much as possible. 

d. an understanding that Although God has blessed Christians ALSO, that from a point of view of Eternity (and Eternal Life), that CHRISTIANS are GRAFTED (ADOPTED) into the Tree of Eternal Salvation that was extended to the Jews FIRST, and that this HOLDS TRUE TODAY, and will ALWAYS hold true until the End of Time. 

e. an understanding that the Jews hold the Historic Title to the Land of Israel, and that GOD is the one who ultimately MUST Safeguard the Promised Land of the Jews FOR the Jews first and foremost, this being defined as the Land given to the Tribes of Israel.

f. The Bible is an accurate document that accurately reflects today what was written in the original Hebrew and Greek Old and New Testament sections. 

g. An understanding that the New Testament message of 

Love, 

Unmerited Favor from God, 

Salvation for all who Believe in its message, 

and the commandments of kindness and love

overrule the Old Testament positions of severity 

that were occasionally commanded prior to the Time of Jesus Christ

The Questions to identify a Conservative or Liberal Christian are the following:

1. Do you believe that Jesus Christ was and is the Actual & LITERAL Son of God, or only a good "Teacher" or "Prophet" ?

2. Do you believe that Jesus Christ Physically and Bodily rose from the Dead After His Crucifixion ?

3. Do you believe that the Bible should be taken Literally ?

1. Do you believe that Jesus Christ was and is the Actual & LITERAL Son of God, or only a good "Teacher" or "Prophet" ?

The Conservative Christians (which is the HISTORIC Christian position) believe that Jesus Claimed to be God, He was God, and He died and Rose again...AS GOD. 

The Liberal Christian perspective (developed and advanced since the 1930s) believe that Jesus may have claimed to be God, no one can really know for sure, no one can really know whether the Bible is trustworthy or not, and the Teachings of Jesus matter FAR MORE than His claims to being the Exclusive Son of God.

SO if a person tells you that they believe the overall message of the Bible but NOT the specifics, either a. They do not know the specifics or b. they are Liberal Christians, and Academic posts and Universities are FILLED with this kind of Liberal Christians. (and Most of them Support the Palestinians and are not significantly opposed to the Destruction of Israel, nor to oppose a plan should Israel be ENTIRELY REPLACED by a PALESTINIAN STATE ).

2. Do you believe that Jesus Christ Physically and Bodily rose from the Dead After His Crucifixion ?

The Conservative Christians (which is the HISTORIC Christian position) believe that Gospel accounts of Jesus are to be taken and understood LITERALLY, and Not Metaphorically. The Historic Christian position about Jesus is that He ACTUALLY died and he ACTUALLY rose again, and He Actually is alive and well right now in Heaven. 

The Liberal Christian perspective (developed and advanced since the 1930s) believe that even though the Bible SAYS that Jesus Christ Literally Died and Rose again, that we should Not BELIEVE the Bible Literally. In other words, they profess to follow a faith, but then turn around and deny the legitimacy of the very document upon which their professed faith is built, the Bible. 

After all the logical conclusion of those who believe in the Bible Literally is that they eventually agree, accept and believe that Jesus Christ is the true and Literal Messiah. That "could not be" - so most Liberals reject the Bible, for any number of reasons, usually because they have not seriously studied the New Testament, although many of them have read a great deal ABOUT it. Most Liberal Christians do not know the true history of Christianity and the textual history of the manuscripts of the Greek New Testament. (those who have questions can read The Case for Christ by Strobel). 

Conservative Christians who believe in the Literal Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ accept His Message of Salvation as found in the Gospels of the New Testament. Not only do they accept the claims of Jesus Christ to a physical Death and Resurrection, they are relying on this for this current life as well as for Eternity. That is how sure they are, that the Bible is the true and accurate Word of God, which can be relied upon. 

3. Do you believe that the Bible should be taken Literally ?

We just alluded to this, but the Conservative Christians (which is the HISTORIC Christian position) believes in the historicity of the Bible. This means that Conservative Christians agree that there is mainly One Old Testament and one New Testament and that God inspired the original authors who wrote those manuscripts, and that we can trust those documents and what God promised in those documents and that God (and the authenticity of the Bible) will be Vindicated, as it has been and continues to be. 

Conservative Christians place a Great measure of faith and trust in their ancestors who broke away from the Vatican power structure and the Roman Catholic Church to study the Bible for itself, and believe that those who pray to God to understand the Bible and to find God, Will find their prayers answered, regardless of who they are - because GOD answers those kinds of prayers, and God is interested and concerned about the affairs of men (mankind).

Claims about Jesus Christ being God - taken Literally by Conservative Christians today

Claims about Jesus Christ being the lineal descendant of King David and Heir to the Jewish Throne -

taken Literally by Conservative Christians today

Claims about a literal Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - taken Literally by Conservative Christians today

Claims about a Literal King David and a Literal King Solomon - taken Literally by Conservative Christians today

Claims about the Twelve Tribes of Israel receiving their Land Grant from God - taken Literally by Conservative Christians today

Claims about Prophecy and the predictions of the Bible - taken Literally by Conservative Christians today

Claims about the Old Testament actually being written by their Claimed authors - taken Literally by Conservative Christians today

Claims about the Prophecies found in the Old Testament- taken Literally by Conservative Christians today

Claims about Jesus Christ being the Messiah - taken Literally by Conservative Christians today

Claims about Jesus Christ coming back in Glory, to establish his Kingdom - taken Literally by Conservative Christians today

Claims about Jesus Christ establishing his everlasting Kingdom - taken Literally by Conservative Christians today

Claims about God being Serious about the Jewish People having the right to their Land in Historic Israel - taken Literally by Conservative Christians today

The Liberal Christian perspective (developed and advanced since the 1930s) believes that the Bible should NOT be taken literally. Practically this has many implications:

Claims about Jesus Christ being God - Not to be taken Literally by Liberals

Claims about Jesus Christ being the lineal descendant of King David and Heir to the Jewish Throne -

Not to be taken Literally by Liberals

Claims about a literal Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - Not to be taken literally - Not to be taken Literally by Liberals

Claims about a Literal King David and a Literal King Solomon - Not to be taken Literally by Liberals

Claims about the Twelve Tribes of Israel receiving their Land Grant from God - Not to be taken Literally by Liberals

Claims about Prophecy and the predictions of the Bible - Not to be taken Literally by Liberals

Claims about the Old Testament actually being written by their Claimed authors - Not to be taken Literally by Liberals

Claims about the Prophecies found in the Old Testament- Not to be taken Literally by Liberals

Claims about Jesus Christ being the Messiah - Not to be taken Literally by Liberals

Claims about Jesus Christ coming back in Glory, to establish his Kingdom - Not to be taken Literally by Liberals

Claims about Jesus Christ establishing his everlasting Kingdom - Not to be taken Literally by Liberals

Claims about God being Serious about the Jewish People having the right to their Land in Historic Israel- Not to be taken Literally by Liberals

A Literal Belief in the Bible Needs to be defined

Some people today are worried or concerned about Christians who believe in the Bible - Literally. 

Those worried people think that this would result in something bad happening towards them by Christians. Such a fear is founded on misinformation, and superstition or media mis-statements. 

When Christians say that they believe the Bible literally, what they MEAN is that they believe the NEW TESTAMENT Literally. 

Some secularists attack Christians and imply that they would harm others. That is totally false. Christians do not harm others, unless in case of immediate life-threatening issues, where self-defense is appropriate. 

Christians do not Want to Harm others, they do not Care about Harming Others, and they are not interested in Harming others. Christians are also Not interested in personal vengeance, since they leave THAT to God. 

IF people want to know what Christians actually believe, they should get a good King James or a modern Translation from the Textus Receptus, and read it to find out what it says. 

Many Secularists are themselves HOSTILE to Christians, because they do not like that Christians try to help and assist others. The very fact of helping others causes some of those secularists to dislike the kind actions performed by Christians to help others. (Not all secularists are hostile to Christianity, though many who are academics often are, since they are trained into an academic prejudice that many pretend not to notice). 

Academics sometimes resent the implications of Christianity which is that GOD rules over the events on Earth and that each and every single individual will answer to God for the actions that they did or did not take while alive. Christians also believe that elected leaders SHOULD serve the interests of the people who elected them. 

Many Academics have a Marxist orientation which holds to their own eternal Supremacy (the operant presumption being that God is dead) - and they resent having others remind them that their own point of view might not conform to the Eternal Reality. 

What are Examples of Liberal  Christians and their Position on Israel These days ?

The Top Leadership who have seized Control of the Denomination known as the United Church of Christ is a Theologically Liberal Group (which still claims to be Christian) 

They do not and will not support the Right of the State of Israel to Exist, and expect them to take more steps to oppose Israel and/or Jews in Israel.

Influence of the Wicked: False Church (U.C.C.) Abandons BIBLE and NATION OF ISRAEL

United Church of Christ Adopts Policy of "Economic Leverage"
ICEJ - July 6/05 - The United Church of Christ, known also for their stauch defense of homosexuals in the church,  voted Tuesday to use "economic leverage" to promote peace between Israel and Palestinians and called for the dismantling of the Israeli security fence. The term reflected a last-minute compromise in an attempt to avoid using the word "divestment," the AP reports from the UCC General Synod meeting in Atlanta. Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean for the Simon Wiesenthal Center, called the resolutions "functionally anti-Semitic, accusing the 1.3 million member denomination of holding Israel to a different moral standard.  

United Church of [wrong] Christ (UCC) News

The Top Leadership who have seized Control of the Denomination known as the Anglican Church is a Theologically Liberal Group (which still claims to be Christian) 

They do not and will not support the Right of the State of Israel to Exist, and expect them to take more steps to oppose Israel and/or Jews in Israel.

Influence of the Wicked: False Church (ANGLICAN) Abandons BIBLE and NATION OF ISRAEL

Last Word: Anglicans Target Israel , The Daily Telegraph (UK)

Jun 24/05 - ICEJ - The Christian West has a marked, and growing, prejudice against the State of Israel. In the latest instance, the Anglican Consultative Council is considering a recommendation that the 38 provinces of the worldwide Anglican Communion should consider divesting themselves of holdings in companies that support the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The recommendation stems from a report on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict issued last September by the Anglican Peace and Justice Network (APJN). The report is a piece of sanctimonious claptrap that has rightly been condemned by, among others, the International Council of Christians and Jews, Lord Carey, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, and Sir Jonathan Sachs, the Chief Rabbi, writes Britain’s Daily Telegraph.

More ANGLICAN NEWS & NOTES

The Top Leadership who have seized Control of the Denomination known as the United Methodist Church is a Theologically Liberal Group (which still claims to be Christian) 

The Top Leadership who have seized Control of the Denomination known as the Presbyterian Church - USA( PCUSA) is a Theologically Liberal Group (which still claims to be Christian) 

They do not and will not support the Right of the State of Israel to Exist, and expect them to take more steps to oppose Israel and/or Jews in Israel.

Influence of the Wicked: False Church (PCUSA) Abandons BIBLE and NATION OF ISRAEL

What are Examples of Conservative Christians and their Position on Israel These days ?

Southern Baptists Churches would often represent the Conservative Christian Position and Defend the State of Israel

What are Examples of Conservative Christian Leaders and their Position on Israel These days ?

1. The Author Hal Lindsey

2. The Archeologist & Author Randall Price

How Can Christians claim Jesus both as 1. God and then also as 2. the "Son of" God ?

Because when Christians give the answer that Jesus Christ is both God and the Son of God, they are talking simultaneously about different levels. 

Jesus Christ is God in the sense that He is part of the Christian Triune-God, known as the Godhead or Trinity. Jesus Christ is also God in the sense that the Bible says that Jesus Christ is the Creator of the Universe (John 1 in the New Testament). 

Jesus Christ is the SON of GOD in the sense of his POSITION within the Triune Godhead (Trinity). The "Son of God" is also one of the Titles of Jesus Christ. 

The Christian Trinity (JHVH/YHVH) is composed of:

1. God the Father

2. God the Son (Jesus Christ)

3. God the Holy Spirit

Those interested more are welcome to read the book Why You Should Believe the Trinity (amazon.com link)

UNITED NATIONS & THE PALESTINIANS

Part II - 

Part I

What this means for the GAZA Disengagement Plan & EXPELLING THE JEWS

There is a perception by Some in the Jewish Community that God will step in and prevent the GAZA strip from being given to the Arabs, and that the Jews will NOT be expelled - because of an act of God. 

God being God - that COULD happen. However, we want to caution those in the Jewish Community, that there are many Christians who do not believe that GAZA falls in the NORMAL constraints of the Land which was given to God by the Jews.

Is GAZA part of the Land that the Jews will have someday in the Future ?

Yes

Is GAZA part of the Land that the Jews were given in the same manner that the REST of Traditional Israel was given to the Jews ?

NO, not usually

Why is GAZA different ?

Because GAZA - historically was the one part of Israel/Palestine that the Tribes of Israel - historically - did Not Control.

What do you mean ? 

Historically, GAZA had a different name: it was called PHILISTIA and was under the Control of the Philistines. This area appears to have remained under the control of the Philistines for a very long time. 

But Didn't Israel eventually Subjugate that land also ?

IN some cases yes, but in other historical periods, the answer is No. The Issue of the particular geographical location of GAZA, and if God would protect it in the same way as He would the area given to the Twelve Tribes of Israel - depends on the answer to Two Questions:

1. Did God give Philistia (Gaza) to the Twelve Tribes of Israel ?

[we know that God gave that land to the Tribe of Simeon, but the question remains of how much and how long it was originally occupied]

2. Was Philistia (Gaza) part of the Kingdoms of David or Solomon ?

- No, under the kingdoms of David & Solomon, Philistia appears to have been mostly Outside of those borders

Does the granting (for now) of Gaza denote that God will not protect the rest of Israel ?

- No, God will continue to protect the historic land of Israel that has been given to the twelve tribes. The physical land will be protected, and many of the Jews themselves will be protected, but the nature of the protection of the Land and the nature of the protection of the Jews is not necessarily identical. 

If the Land of Israel (land of the 12 tribes) is protected, it can STILL be protected, even if portions are Temporarily given over to the Palestianian Islamic Arabs. In that case, the Jews would STILL be in Israel (living on Part of the Land given to the 12 Tribes) - but would not necessarily be occupying all of the land given to the 12 tribes, until this occurs when the Messiah returns.

How do we know today either 1. What the boundaries of the Kingdom of David & Solomon were ? and 2. What the Boundaries of Israel were of the Land given to the Twelve Tribes of Israel ?

Simply look for the MAPS of ISRAEL which are at the back of most Protestant Bibles (after the End of the New Testament). Most of those Maps of Israel and have been in the back of Bibles for at least the past 200 years. The Maps in Bibles published before 1960 are best. [An old King James Version of the Bible is the traditional and accurate version which Evangelical Christians have used for more 400 years - Do NOT confuse this with the NKJV, the NEW King James Version, which is NOT the same as the older King James Version printed before the 1960s]. Beware of Maps in CURRENT Modern Bibles, since they are being changed and are sometimes NOT accurate.

What do most Christians believe will happen to Israel ?

Most Christians today believe the following:

1. The State of Israel will exist on 1/2 of its traditional territory (for now, as a result mostly of Bush II).

2. The State of Palestine will temporarily exist and be given to the Arabs (in Historic Galilee, Judea & Samaria).

3. Friction and conflict will continue between the two states.

4. A political Leader from Europe will arise offer the Two States a PEACE TREATY.

5. The duration of that Peace Treaty will be Seven Years.

6. the person (European Leader) who Signs that treaty will offer Peace to the Jews, but will not be sincere.

7. The Vatican will support that European Leader offering the 7 year peace plan for the Middle East.

8. The Vatican would probably assume official international "stewardship" of Jerusalem as an "International" city.

9. An international War begins very close to the Signing of that Peace treaty. That war will be against Israel. Those attacking Israel will loose and suffer devastation.

10. The European Leader in concert with other leaders will rebuild the Jewish Temple, but without Destroying or Harming the Dome of the Rock. Both will exist side-by-side. 

11. The European Leader will break the treaty that guarantees the Borders of Israel at the 3 and 1/2 year midway point (or 3.5 years after the Mideast Peace Treaty is signed).

12. When the European Leader breaks the treaty, he will go into the Jewish Temple and proclaim himself as God. 

13. When this leader takes these steps, the Jewish people will know that other actions are about to be taken which will greatly harm them. 

14. At that point, the Jews should flee to the city in Jordan which has been prepared for their preservation.

Prophecy: Is there any event which would foreshadow or forewarn others that these events in Israel are about to occur ?

- Either 1. an attack by many nation-states against Israel or 2. the Disappearance of Christians from the Planet

What is this disappearance of Christians based on ?

The Bible speaks of a time when Jesus Christ calls Christians to be with Him in the Heavens. The Passage in the Bible that refers to this - refers to God "snatching away" Christians. (The exact verse is in the New Testament section of the Bible, in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, but the broader passage is 1 Thessalonians 4:16 to 5:11)

IS there any event that precedes the Disappearance of those Christians ?

- yes, there is one for sure. It is the opening of millions of graves around the World and their contents of those graves being emptied (where the souls of those people are given a new physical body, which will be a perfected body). 

There are many competing versions of the Old Testament that exist today, modern ones and old ones. Is there one particular edition - In Hebrew that is correct and that most closely resembles the Old Testament as originally written ?

The one Old Testament Hebrew manuscript that passes the highest majority of the Bible codes, (despite the hype, some of those codes DO exist), the one that also was the one used by Evangelicals since the 1500s is the 1525 Ben Hakkim/Ben Chayyim Old Testament printed by Daniel Bomberg in Venice in 1525. It is the Standard Historic Massoretic Text and the one that Christians consider to be the true word of God. It is also the Hebrew Text used as the basis for the English Old Testament of the King James Bible. This Hebrew Massoretic Text is also the closest match to the Dead Sea Scrolls discovered in 1947/48. (Those who are interested in copies - which are multi-volume [6] - can contact us by email) 

Christians after the Snatching-Away

Christians are basically Christ-followers. THAT is what the term "Christian" means. If the Christians have disapeared at the beginning of the seven year treaty with Israel, will there be any other Christians that will exist DURING that time ?

Yes, there will be 1. New True Christians and 2. False Christians

(The True Christians will be the ones who were NOT Christians, when the great "snatching away" by God took place. The False Christians will be the ones who claimed to have been Christians BEFORE this "snatching away", but then are still left behind when that event occurs).

Is there any part of these events that people who are Christians would try and either initiate or complete themselves - in order to change or affect this understanding of the future ?

No, Christians have no more ability to control the future than others do (though Christians can and Do pray, and this does affect things - often). But Christians know that God controls the present and the future, and that the Future is in the hands of God. No Christian can accelerate these plans, and few of them would want to.  To try and take on the responsibility of changing these events would simply be impossible, because the implication is that a human could force God to change HIS plan or HIS timeline. That is first of all impossible, and second Christians want GOD to implement HIS will. For humans to try to implement their will in the place of God would simply be an act of rebellion. Therefore No, no true Christian is going to try to change these things. These events and their timing are in the hands of God.

What would you say to those who would mock you or make fun of this position ?

Scoffers have existed since the beginning. The Simple answer - if this is your choice - is Wait and See. We can certainly afford to be wrong. If we are wrong, we simply live our lives and try and communicate the message and love of Jesus Christ. 

So the worst that happens - if we are wrong about these events - is that we die naturally. On the other hand, if we are right, the disappearance of millions and millions of Christians takes place, and then events that show who is in Control of the planet take place. 

What would you say to those who believe that you may be right ?

That they should study the following books - since they would help to shed some light on these issues:

1. Works of Hal Lindsey

2. Things to Come by J. Dwight Pentecost

3. works of Clarence Larkin

4. works of Robert Bowman (to understand Christianity better)

5. Books on Politics behind the scenes

6. all the prophecies in the Bible by Lockyer

What Part does America/USA play in these events ?

None. The USA is not mentioned in these events, which tends to suggest it is no longer a dominant power on the planet, and that it does NOT exercise any serious economic or political power. In other words, American looses the place which it has enjoyed for the past 100 years. The vacuum is filled by the remaining Global players. 

What alliances are predicted as forming and controlling the globe in the End Times ?

There are Four of them:

1. Europe (a Ten Nation Economic Confederation - which may have other nations attached politically to it - The Western European Union fits this description)

2. Those directly to the North of Israel (Russia and her allies)

3. The Kings of the East (China and those under the Chinese Umbrella)

4. The Islamic Alliances of Nations (moslem power block)

Are these events foreordained to happen, so that these events cannot be altered ?

These events cannot be altered, although the TIMELINE to these events Can or Could be altered. God responds to righteous living. If those who are involved in wrong activities cease and turn instead to God, God may delay the implementation of these events. However, the 4 blocks that exist in the End Times have now appeared and have consolidated their own alliances (within each group). The world has changed a great deal in the past 10 or 15 years, and events seem to be accelerating. 

There are examples of God holding back his own judgement against a particular nation (or group of them) from years to decades... But God takes seriously how nations elect their leaders. Bush has harmed Israel and in that sense harms the interests of the nation that he rules over. (the only thing we would suggest people do about this is PRAY for President Bush - who surely needs it). Whether the Next Supreme Court Justices in the U.S. are righteous will also matter, as will the elections. God takes the leaders of the nations of men very seriously. 

What would you suggest to anyone who wants to avoid these situations ?

Pray to become a Christian, and then learn what else to pray for encouragement

Some People are under the impression that Christians support Jews today for the exclusive reason that the support of the Jews has a "triggering" role in prophecy, and that without them, God would be either Held up or prevented from moving forward. Is that why Christians support Jews ?

No, that's not why. A couple of points can explain this better:

1. The part that Jews were supposed to play in prophecy has ALREADY been fulfilled [concerning "triggering" events]. This was the Re-creation of the Nation-State of Israel, and the placing of Jerusalem back under Jewish control. 

Israel became a Nation again in 1947/48, and Israel took control of Jerusalem formally in 1967, as a result of the six-day war when Israel defended themselves against a joint attack by several of her Arab neighbors.  

Until the Recreation of the State of Israel happened, and the retaking of Jerusalem - nothing else could happen. 

Both of those have already been fulfilled. The prophetic Calendar does not need any new event to take place before the other events begin. 

2. Christians do not love the Jews because of a correlation with Prophecy. Christians appreciate the role of the Jews in prophecy, because this proves the glory of the Jewish and Christian God, Jehovah/Yaweh. 

But the reason WHY Christians love the Jews is because this is what GOD TELLS the CHRISTIANS to DO. 

Jesus was Jewish. 

The Bible has Jewish origins. 

The God of the Bible says to love the Jews

Since God is God, and God says to love the Jews, that is what Christians are supposed to do. 

The Bible should be taken literally and obeyed, and this will be a means to bring help and love to others.

The issue is simply one of Obedience. (Not a compulsory obedience, but a reverence for God and a desire to Obey Him and do what He wants, because God does know best). 

For Christians the issue is simple: People do Not harm other people because of their ethnicity or background, and certainly not because they are Jewish. That makes no sense. Evangelicals have believed this since the 1600s, and have largely tried to obtain the Freedom of the Jews from oppression at the same time that they have been struggling to obtain their own rights, rights to be free from rule by Kings, right to chose their leaders, etc. 

But evangelicals did not begin to act as a political force until the 1600s, and their progress was slow because of the inquisition and the Kings that persecuted protestants as well as those who were Jewish. 

Some people confuse the Vatican and vatican power with Christianity. Nothing could be further from the Truth. The Bible is the source of power and authenticity within Christianity. 

3. The Final point about Prophecy here, is that it is the unfolding of God's plan. It is not that Christians think the stuff up, and then go and fulfill it themselves. In fact, much of the prophetic sections in the Bible have to do with Christians as eyewitnesses - but not as major participants. But the point is that Christians cannot stop God's plan(s) in anycase. God is not held up by the actions or inactions of man.

What Part does President Bush play in these events ?

President Bush continues the geopolitical policies began in the Ford Administration and under Bush I, as determined by George Ball, and James Baker and those who have had financial ties to the Middle East Oil Cartels and the "red line agreement of 1928".  President Bush does speak like a social conservative, but his religious ties and worldviews are to LIBERAL protestant denominations who do NOT take the Bible literally. The beginning negotiating points for the Bush Administration [both of them] for the Middle East begins with the acceptance of the Islamist revisionist history of the Middle East - because this is the position that most of his advisors have. The decision by Bush and his advisors to take land away from Israel is likely to have serious and diliterious effects on the United States, and sooner rather than later. 

See the Pictures of News Photographer taken during Expulsion for which he was Arrested

HOW BUSH ADMINISTRATION POLICIES HARM ACTUAL U.S. INTERESTS

(Or steps that confirm that Bush Policies are run by Anti-Israel State Department in contravention of Historic American Foreign Policies which promote True Freedom)

Impact of Israel's "Disengagement" on U.S. Interests
July 15, 2005 

1. U.S. Congressional oversight requires an examination (hearing) of the impact of Israel's "disengagement" (retreat) from terrorist strongholds in Gaza and Samaria on US interests in general and on the safety of US GIs in Iraq/Afghanistan in particular. (Ed.Notes: Despite the law, this may or may not take place)

2. The July 2000 "disengagement" from Lebanon boosted Hezbollah (Hizballah) terror to prominence, currently haunting US Armed Forces & Coalition Troops in Afghanistan and in Iraq. 

3. The 1994-98 "disengagements" from 85% of Gaza and 40% of Judea & Samaria created the largest terror base in the world, a platform and a tailwind to regional anti-US terrorism. Palestinian terrorists are currently fighting the US actively in Iraq/Afghanistan. 

4. The 1994-98 "disengagements" bolstered the PLO/PA, the arch lethal enemy of the pro-US Hashemite regime in Jordan. 

5. The 1995 "disengagement" [Expulsion & Retreat] from Bethlehem doomed its Christians to PLO/PA oppression under Islamic Sharia Law, accelerating Christian flight (from a 70% majority to a 20% minority). 

6. "Disengagement" would transfer control of Gaza's sea and air ports to the PLO/PA - the sustained ally of Iran, Russia, China and No. Korea - enhancing their strategic posture in the eastern flank of the Mediterranean. 

7. "Disengagement" [Expulsion & Retreat] would reward the PA - a platform to pro-Saddam elements. 

8. "Disengagement" [Expulsion & Retreat] would drag the US into inevitable Egypt-Israel diplomatic and military conflicts. 

9. "Disenagement" [Expulsion & Retreat] would be perceived, by Palestinians, as a boost to the rogue PA regime, discouraging Palestinian reformists and moderates. 

10. "Disengagement" [Expulsion & Retreat]  would reward terrorists and undermine deterrence and negotiation in the Mideast, where the only peace possible is deterrence-driven. 

11. It is IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER that The 1993-2001 anti-US wave of Islamic terrorism was fueled by the 1979, 1983 and 1993 US "disengagements" - [Expulsion & Retreat] - from Teheran, Beirut and Mogadishu. 

12. When Speaking Freely, President Bush opposes the "disengagement" [Expulsion & Retreat] concept (June 28, 2005): "They think that they can force us to retreat; they are mistaken. We either deal with terrorism abroad, or we deal with them when it comes to us." 

13. "Disengagement" [Expulsion & Retreat]  and US interests constitute an oxymoron! a CONTRADICTION. The time to examine the impact of Israel's "disengagement" on US interests is before - and not after - its consequences burden US Forces in Iraq. 


based or original by by Yoram Ettinger (http://gamla.org.il/english/article/2005/july/g5.htm) 

Poll: Americans oppose Gaza withdrawal
Believe Israel's plan rewards 
Palestinian terrorism

July 9, 2005


wnd - July 9/05 - A new U.S. poll found 63 percent of Americans oppose Israel's plan to evacuate Jewish settlements in Gaza and 80 percent oppose U.S. aid to Palestinians. 

By a margin of two to one, Americans believe the Gaza plan rewards terrorism, according to the June 26-27 survey by McLaughlin & Associates, a major national polling company. The poll was commissioned by the Zionist Organization of America, or ZOA. 

ZOA President Morton A. Klein said the poll exposes the "myth" that Americans support the withdrawal plan. 

"Americans realize that it's a bad deal for Israel to make these major concessions without getting anything in return," he said. "They also understand that this rewards the Hamas and Fatah suicide bombing terrorists whose counterparts are killing Americans every day in Iraq." 

Full Story Here

Just compare this Map to the one in the back of any Bible. 

You will get a very clear idea of Just who has the Historic Title - From God - to the Land

You can notice in the maps here that the Palestinian Arabs were given 

1. Jordan (founded in 1948) AND

2. The Area in Yellow (which will be the West Bank)

Note: The West Bank means that the EAST BANK (in Red) has ALREADY been given to the 

Palestinians (since Jordan is 85%-90% Palestinian)

The West Bank has other names, historically: Galilee, Judea and Samaria

Even though this webpage involves the topic of "Gaza", We post this information because

the next step of the "Peace" process in Israel imposed on them by the U.S. 

will be to give Galilee, Judea and Samaria to the Islamic Palestinian Arabs

Who will found a State using Islamic Sharia Law. 

(Those who have questions - can contact us by email) 

For regular page on Israel, click here

http://www.israelnn.com/tv.php

Map of Israel Showing Who Wants What for Land

For the New Israel & Middle East Current Events Page, Click Here

  SUMMER 2005 - What is Happening in GAZA - Web Video

VIDEO Footage & News about what is Happening in GAZA, AT GUTASH KATIF, ISRAEL AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN DURING EXPULSION OF JEWS Set for AUGUST/SEPTEMBER (Windows Media Player)

http://www.machonmeir.org.il/leumi/sakin_balev_english_300.wmv 

La Historia y Significación de "Palestina" y los "Palestinos"