Up ] Rick Warren and Others work in Service of United Nations ] Your Experience ] [ Motive: Church Debt or VALUES change ? ] Rick Warren Latches on to C.S. Lewis ] No Consulting of Congregation ] POVERTY IN AFRICA- Don't Give ] Tactics of PDC & PDL - Warren Group ] The Place of Faith in Spiritual Work ] Purpose Driven Issues ] Africa Against Its Own ] Purpose Driven 2 ] PURPOSE DRIVEN DISASTER ] Useful Steps - PDL PDC ] Do you Realize ? ] G8 And Evangelicals ] Fuller No Witness ] Rick Warren's Peace Plan ] Peter Drucker & Rick Warren ] Fear of Thinking ] ASK THEM: DO YOU KNOW ?? ] Our Envy (?) ]

 

Question:
The church debt (at my church) continues to get larger weekly, so does that also make it a target for the Warren Consultants?

 


It makes your church a target if the Pastor is likely to be seduced by the idea that Warren Marketing techniques can solve the problem of the Church Debt, instead of a deepening relationship with the Holy Spirit - which all members should be seeking. If the preacher led the congregation to a deeper faith, then the Natural result would be increased prayer, and an increased sense of "personal ownership" in that church by the Congregation. 


Its not really the funding that Warran Consults are after, it seems. They use the funding because it helps them go further in their "new theology" goals. .Their goals are to use the churches which subscribe to their views to change the core beliefs of the congregation.

That would be very bold, but keep in mind that this [Purpose Driven Church movement] started as a sociological experiment with mass marketing techniques. In order to have a chance to alter the beliefs of the congregation, they would first have to alter the beliefs of the Pastor.

One of the most Un-Biblical beliefs is that the Size of a church is an indication of spiritual growth, or that spiritual growth is to be measured by numbers rather than by the spiritual knowledge that each person is attaining, in their own relationship to God.


In other words, thanks to the message of "Church Growth = Large Numbers" already supported by many evangelicals, the beliefs of that pastor would not have to be altered much, since many pastors ALREADY [wrongly] believe this.


The next task - pushed and encouraged by the Warren Church Consultants - is for the Pastor to
agree to the concept of NOT teaching either 1) any Major doctrine or 2) any point of controversy on Sundays in the main service.


[That would be rather unfortunate if pastors Did agree to this, because it is giving up one of the few times when people actually set time aside to come to church to be instructed from God's Word. What people need is more instruction, and more sound doctrine, not less. ]

But what is being called "Seeker-Friendly" actually is often being interpreted by Warren Consultants & PDC Pastors as a willingness to Not make any waves or say anything which is controversial.

It is not likeley that the Holy Spirit was consulted much on that decision. What He says often can offend. It is God's truth that We must adjust to. Instead - PDC churches are trying to adjust their proclamations to man's truth. That is both sad and an abandonment of the Pastoral Call to PROCLAIM the gospel.

It is the conviction of the Holy Spirit that often brings repentance. If church attenders are not confronted with spiritual truth, then how will the Holy Spirit be able to use that information that they will no longer be receiving ? Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God....

Warren Consultants will simply take advantage of the church's willingness to pay them. How far they take this probably has to do with their demographic and financial studies of each church. They can taylor packages to each church....

The question is who has authority over financial matters for the church. The next question is who would either confront or stand up either to the Pastor or to the consultants - IF confronting them was the right and Biblical thing to do.


But often, church financial matters are handled by accountants, and very few people know the financial state of their own churches (though it is good where this is NOT the case).

The churches that withstand or resist the process are the churches that have the theologically conservative members in it.

Rick Warren Consultants - Church Tactics


But remember, Warren consultants usually establish two Church services. They say that this is to appeal to a younger crowd, but according to their own documents, the true purpose is to compartmentalize and segregate the more "fundamental" [Biblically literate] members of the church...into their own [traditional] church service.

Those traditional people then are under the impression that they are still part of the church, because they still have a "church service". But what happens within a matter of weeks is that the "traditional" church service is discontinued,
especially where the majority of the church has made the transition to the newer "seeker-friendly" church service.

The "traditional" church service is then discontinued, and then the traditional church members have nowhere left to go. They are then further marginalized and ignored. The goal of the process is not only to alter the church, and its theology but also to do all of this with the least amount of resistance and confrontation possible.

What is really going on is that the traditionalists are being outmaneuvered by the Warren consultants, and traditionalists do not resist the process, because they do not know what is going on nor how to confront what is taking place.


 

 

We can only hope and pray that many more people will wake up to the dangers of the Purpose Driven life Model. We would encourage you to visit our webpage to learn how you can contribute to this discussion by sharing your stories and experiences with us at this page

 

 

For any questions or comments, please do not hesitate to contact us at xofcbooks@yahoo.com .

 

 

http://simplyagape.blogspot.com/2005_09_01_simplyagape_archive.html 

 

 

 

 

XOFC: Truth for the Skeptical Mind

 

How to Support this Ministry

 

 

 

 

Please Note: We do try to be accurate. If you see anything which you believe

Is not correct on our website, please do bring it to our attention.

 

Thank you

(XOFC Staff)

 

 

 

 

This Page and all others @ 2000/2004 by XOFC and respective @ holders unless

otherwise noted. Images are @ used in accordance with distributed liscence agreement.

 

Unless for Personal Use in Printed Format, or for use by Pastors & Leaders in Printed format for individual classes only,  Do Not copy, duplicate or reproduce this page without written consent and prior authorization by XOFC.