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TNIV-Part 2

Real Facts about Corrupt Bibles

The Truth about the TNIV

 

We wish that Zondervan (Now owned by Rupert Murdoch) had made much wiser choices about the TNIV. Many Christian Leaders have publically come out in opposition to the TNIV.

It is the opinion of some at XOFC that the TNIV is the same thing as the NIVi. It seems the same in almost all ways. As you may know, 100 Christian Leaders aranged for an add to be placed in Christianity Today condemning the TNIV. But Christianity Today refused to run the ad (which is not surprising if you know the background of Christianity Today).

In any case, desiring to bring additional information before the public about the TNIV, we have posted some information below.

It should be kept in mind that the Translation Committee of the original NIV and the Translation Committee of the TNIV are the same. In other words, when you read the TNIV, you are reading the

"Bible" text that the original Translators of the NIV really wanted to sell you on - back then. Only they

had to wait a little while to attempt this.

 

More info on TNIV (PDF)

Part 1

Statement of Concern about the TNIV Bible 
 

 

Recently, the International Bible Society (IBS) and Zondervan Publishing announced their joint decision to publish a new translation of the Bible, known as Today's New International Version (TNIV). The TNIV makes significant changes in the gender language that is in the NIV. The TNIV raises more concern in this regard than previous Bible versions because, riding on the reputation of the NIV, the TNIV may vie for a place as the church's commonly accepted Bible. We believe that any commonly accepted Bible of the church should be more faithful to the language of the original.

We acknowledge that Bible scholars sometimes disagree about translation methods and about which English words best translate the original languages. We also agree that it is appropriate to use gender-neutral expressions where the original language does not include any male or female meaning. However, we believe the TNIV has gone beyond acceptable translation standards in several important respects:
bulletThe TNIV translation often changes masculine, third person, singular pronouns (he, his and him) to plural gender-neutral pronouns. For example, in Revelation 3:20, the words of Jesus have been changed from "I will come in and eat with him, and he with me" to "I will come in and eat with them, and they with me." Jesus could have used plural pronouns when He spoke these words, but He chose not to. (The original Greek pronouns are singular.) In hundreds of such changes, the TNIV obscures any possible significance the inspired singular may have, such as individual responsibility or an individual relationship with Christ.
 
bulletThe TNIV translation obscures many biblical references to "father," "son," "brother," and "man." For example, in Hebrews 12:7, the NIV says "Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?" But the TNIV translates Hebrews 12:7, "Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their parents?" The reference to God as Father is lost. In numerous other verses male-oriented meanings that are present in the original language are lost in the TNIV.
 
bulletThe TNIV translation inserts English words into the text whose meaning does not appear in the original languages. For example, in Luke 17:3, the translators changed "If your brother sins, rebuke him" to "If any brother or sister sins against you, rebuke the offender." The problem is, the word "sister" is not found in the original language, nor is "against you," nor is 'offender.'
 

Thus, in hundreds of verses, the TNIV changes language with masculine meaning in the original Greek to something more generic. It does this in many ways, such as changing
bullet"father" (singular) to "parents";
 
bullet"son" (singular) to "child" or "children";
 
bullet"brother" (singular) to "someone" or "brother or sister," and "brothers" (plural) to "believers";
 
bullet"man" (singular, when referring to the human race) to "mere mortals" or "those" or "people";
 
bullet"men" (plural, when referring to male persons) to "people" or "believers" or "friends" or "humans";
 
bullet"he/him/his" to "they/them/their" or "you/your" or "we/us/our"; and
 
bulletswitching hundreds of whole sentences from singular to plural.

 

We wonder how the TNIV translators can be sure that this masculine language in God's very words does not carry meaning that God wants us to see.

Gender problems are not the only serious problems with the TNIV. For example: How do the TNIV translators know that changing "Jews" to "Jewish leaders," for example in Acts 13:50 and 21:11, does not make a false claim, and obscure a possible corporate meaning? How do they know that changing "saints" to "those" in Acts 9:13 or to "believers" in Acts 9:32 or to "God’s people" in Romans 8:27 does not sacrifice precious connotations of holiness which the Greek word carries? To justify translating "saints" as "believers" because it refers to believers is like justifying translating "sweetheart" as "wife" because that’s who it refers to.

Because of these and other misgivings, we cannot endorse the TNIV as sufficiently trustworthy to commend to the church. We do not believe it is a translation suitable for use as a normal preaching and teaching text of the church or for a common memorizing, study, and reading Bible of the Christian community.

 

Daniel L. Akin
Dean School of Theology
The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, KY

Gregg R. Allison
Professor
Western Seminary, Portland, OR

Kerby Andersen
President
Probe Ministries, Richardson, TX

Neil T. Anderson
Founder and President Emeritus
Freedom in Christ Ministries

Hudson T. Armerding
Past Chairman
National Association of Evangelicals, Quarryville, PA

Edward G. Atsinger, III
President & CEO
Salem Communications Corporation, Camarillo, CA

Henry Baldwin
Dean, School of Theology (English Speaking)
Singapore Bible College, Republic of Singapore

Frank M. Barker, Jr.
Pastor Emeritus
Briarwood Presbyterian Church, Birmingham, AL

Tim Bayly
Senior Pastor
Church of the Good Shepherd, Bloomington, IN

Ted Baehr
Chairman
Christian Film & Television Commission, Camarillo, CA

H.F. Bayer
Professor
Covenant Theological Seminary, St. Louis, MO

Alistair Begg
Senior Pastor
Parkside Church, Chagrin Falls, OH

Joel Belz
Founder and Chairman
World Magazine, Asheville, NC

Ron Blue
Ronald Blue & Company

James A. Borland
Professor
Liberty University, Lynchburg, VA

Harald Bredesen
Pastor at Large
St. Paul’s Lutheran Church, Westport, CT

Bill Bright
Founder and Chairman
Campus Crusade for Christ, Orlando, FL

Tal Brooke
President and Chairman
SCP, Inc., Berkeley, CA

Harold O.J. Brown
Professor
Reformed Theological Seminary, Charlotte, NC

Larry Burkett
Founder
Crown Financial Ministries, Gainesville, GA

A.B. Caneday
Professor
Northwestern College, Saint Paul, Minnesota

Bryan Chapell
President
Covenant Theological Seminary, St. Louis, MO

E. Ray Clendenen
Executive editor, Bibles and Reference Books
B&H Publishers, Nashville, TN

C. John Collins
Professor
Covenant Theological Seminary, St. Louis, MO

Charles Colson
Founder
Prison Fellowship Ministry, Merrifield, VA

William Cook
Professor
The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, KY

Jack Cottrell
Professor
Cincinnati Bible Seminary, Cincinnati, OH

Darryl DelHousaye
Senior Pastor
Scottsdale Bible Church, Scottsdale, AZ

Dennis H. Dirks
Dean
Talbot School of Theology, La Mirada, CA

Nancy Leigh DeMoss
Teacher and Author
Life Action Ministries, Niles, MI

James Dobson
President
Focus on the Family, Colorado Springs, CO

Daniel Doriani
Dean of Faculty
Covenant Theological Seminary, St. Louis, MO

Ligon Duncan
Senior Minister
First Presbyterian Church, Jackson, MS

Michael J. Easley
Senior Pastor-Teacher
Immanuel Bible Church, Springfield, VA

Tom Elliff
Senior Pastor
First Southern Baptist Church, Del City, OK

Stuart W. Epperson
Chairman
Salem Communications Corp., Winston-Salem, NC

Jerry Falwell
Chancellor, Liberty University
Pastor, Thomas Road Baptist Church, Lynchburg, VA

Steve Farrar
President
Men’s Leadership Ministries, Frisco, TX

Ronnie W. Floyd
Senior Pastor
First Baptist Church, Springdale, AR
The Church at Pinnacle Hills, Rogers, AR

John M. Frame
Professor
Reformed Theological Seminary, Orlando, FL

Jack Graham
Senior Pastor
Prestonwood Baptist Church, Prestonwood, TX

Elisabeth Elliot Gren
Christ Church
Hamilton, MA

Wayne Grudem
Professor
Phoenix Seminary, Scottsdale, AZ

Joshua Harris
Executive Pastor
Covenant Life Church, Gaithersburg, MD

Jack Hayford
Founding Pastor
The Church on the Way, Van Nuys, CA Chancellor, The King’s College and Seminary

C.E. Hill
Professor
Reformed Theological Seminary, Orlando, FL

Roland S. Hinz
President
Hi-Favor Broadcasting (Spanish Language), Los Angeles, CA

Howard G. Hendricks
Professor
Dallas Theological Seminary, Dallas, TX

Ken Hemphill
President
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, Fort Worth, TX

H. Wayne House
Professor
Faith Seminary, Tacoma, WA

R. Kent Hughes
Senior Pastor
College Church, Wheaton, IL

Susan Hunt
Author
Atlanta, GA

W. Bingham Hunter
Pastor/Bible Teacher/Author
Chicago, IL

David Jeremiah
Pastor
Shadow Mountain Community Church

Peter Jones
Professor
Westminster Theological Seminary, Escondido, CA

Mary Kassian
Author & Teacher
Alabaster Flask Ministries, Edmonton, Canada

Charles S. Kelley, Jr.
President
New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, New Orleans, LA

Rhonda H. Kelley
Professor
New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, New Orleans, LA

D. James Kennedy
Senior Pastor
Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church, Ft. Lauderdale, FL

Tim Kimmel
Executive Director, Family Matters
Phoenix, AZ

Chuck Klein
National Director
Student Venture, Orlando, FL

George W. Knight, III
Professor
Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary, Taylors, SC

Bob Lepine
Director of Broadcasting
FamilyLife, Little Rock, AR

Robert Lewis
Teaching Pastor
Fellowship Bible Church, Little Rock, AR

H.B. London
VP of Ministry Outreach/Pastoral
Focus on the Family, Colorado Springs, CO

Crawford W. Loritts, Jr.
Assoc. USA Director
Campus Crusade for Christ, Atlanta, GA

Erwin W. Lutzer
Senior Pastor
Moody Church, Chicago, IL

John MacArthur
Pastor-Teacher
Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, CA

James MacDonald
Pastor
Harvest Bible Chapel, Rolling Meadows, IL

C.J. Mahaney
Senior Pastor
Covenant Life Church, Gaithersburg, MD

Bill McCartney
President
Promise Keepers, Denver, CO

Josh D. McDowell
Josh McDowell Ministry, Dallas, TX

James Merritt
President
Southern Baptist Convention, Snellville, GA

R. Albert Mohler, Jr.
President
The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, KY

Joel Nederhood
Pastor
Director of Ministries, Emeritus
The Back to God Hour

Niel Nielson
President Elect
Covenant College, Lookout Mountain, GA

Marvin Olasky
Editor-in-Chief
World Magazine, Asheville, NC

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Bible Scholars Claim "Gender-Neutral" Bible Distorts Scripture
 
Note: This is the original list of scholars as it appeared in the press release. Click to view the updated list.

More than thirty-five evangelical scholars issued a joint statement declaring that the recently released Today’s New International Version, which news reports on Monday identified as "gender-neutral," should not be commended to the church. The scholars expressed concern about "troubling translation inaccuracies ... that introduce distortions of ... meanings." Although their primary concern was over gender language and the removal of many instances of such words as "man," "father," "son," "brother," and "he/him/his," other types of inaccuracies were noted as well, particularly in changing singular pronouns to plural, and in changing "the Jews" to "the Jewish leaders" in John’s Gospel. The statement was released by the Louisville headquarters of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW).

A list of over one hundred examples of inaccurately translated verses accompanied the statement.


STATEMENT OF CONCERN:

 

In light of troubling translation inaccuracies - primarily (but not exclusively) in relation to gender language - that introduce distortions of the meanings that were conveyed better by the original NIV, we cannot endorse the TNIV translation as sufficiently accurate to commend to the church.


SIGNERS (partial list):

Gregg R. Allison, Ph.D.
Western Seminary, Portland, OR

Henry S. Baldwin, Ph.D.
Singapore Bible College, Singapore

S. M. Baugh, Ph.D.
Westminster Theological Seminary in California, Escondido, CA

Hans F. Bayer, Ph.D.
Covenant Seminary, St. Louis, MO

James Borland, Th.D.
Liberty University, Lynchburg, VA

Harold O. J. Brown, Ph.D.
Reformed Theological Seminary, Charlotte, NC

Ardel B. Canedy, Ph.D.
Northwestern College, St. Paul, MN

E Ray Clendenen, Ph.D.
Lifeway Christian Resources, Nashville, TN

Clifford John Collins, Ph.D.
Covenant Seminary, St. Louis, MO

William Cook, Ph.D.
Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, KY

Jack Cottrell, Ph.D.
Cincinnati Bible College and Seminary, Cincinnatti, OH

Daniel Doriani, Ph.D.
Covenant Seminary, St. Louis, MO

J. Ligon Duncan III, Ph.D.
First Presbyterian Church, Jackson, MS

John M. Frame, M.Phil.
Reformed Theological Seminary, Orlando, FL

Paul D. Gardner, Ph.D.
Church of England Evangelical Council, Hartford, England

Wayne Grudem, Ph.D.
Phoenix Seminary, Scottsdale, AZ

C.E. Hill, Ph.D.
Reformed Theological Seminary, Orlando, FL

H. Wayne House, Ph.D.
Faith Seminary, Tacoma, WA

W. Bingham Hunter, Ph.D.
Pastor of Adult Ministries, Harvest Bible Chapel
Former Academic Dean of Trinity Evangelical Divinity School and Talbot School of Theology


Peter Jones, Ph.D.
Westminster Theological Seminary, Escondido, CA

Reggie M. Kidd, PhD.
Reformed Theological Seminary, Orlando, FL

George W. Knight, III, Ph.D.
Greenville Presbyterian Seminary, Taylors, SC

J. Carl Laney, Th.D.
Western Seminary, Portland, OR

Al Mawhinney, Ph.D.
Reformed Theological Seminary, Orlando, FL

R. Albert Mohler, Ph.D.
Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, KY

William D. Mounce, Ph.D.
Cornerstone Fellowship, Spokane, WA

Raymond C. Ortlund, Jr., Ph.D.
First Presbyterian Church, Augusta, GA

Paige Patterson, Ph.D.
Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, Wake Forest, NC

John Piper, D. theol.
Bethlehem Baptist Church, Minneapolis, MN

Vern S. Poythress, Ph.D., Th.D.
Westminster Theological Seminary, Philadelphia, PA

Mark R. Saucy, Ph.D.
Kyiv Theological Seminary

Thomas R. Schreiner, Ph.D.
Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, KY

R. C. Sproul, DRS, Ph.D
Ligonier Ministries, Lake Mary, FL

Bruce Ware, Ph.D.
Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, KY

William Weinrich, Ph.D.
Concordia Seminary, Ft. Wayne, IN

Dean O. Wenthe, Ph.D.
Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne, IN

Robert Yarbrough, Ph.D.
Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, Deerfield, IL

Stephen F. Olford
Founder and Chairman
The Stephen Olford Center for Biblical Preaching, Memphis, TN

Raymond C. Ortlund, Jr.
Senior Pastor
First Presbyterian Church, August, GA

J. I. Packer
Professor
Regent College, Vancouver, B.C.

Janet Parshall
Nationally Syndicated Talk Show Host
Janet Parshall’s America, Arlington, VA

Dorothy Kelley Patterson
Professor
Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, Wake Forest, NC

Paige Patterson
President
Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary, Wake Forest, NC

John Piper
Senior Pastor
Bethlehem Baptist Church, Minneapolis, MN

Randy Pope
Pastor
Perimeter Church, Duluth, GA

Vern Poythress
Professor
Westminster Theological Seminary, Philadelphia, PA

William Pugh
National Director
Athletes in Action, Xenia, OH

Dick Purnell
Director
Single Life Resources, Cary, NC

Dennis Rainey
Exec. Director
FamilyLife, Little Rock, AR

W. Duncan Rankin
Professor
Reformed Theological Seminary, Jackson, MS

Robert E. Reccord
President
North American Mission Board, SBC, Apharetta, GA

Sandy Rios
President
Concerned Women for America, Washington, D.C.

Pat Robertson
Founder and President,
Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN)

Adrian Rogers
Pastor
Belleview Baptist Church, Cordova, TN

Gary Rosberg
President
America’s Family Coaches, Des Moines, IA

Barbara Rosberg
Vice President
America’s Family Coaches, Des Moines, IA

Phillip Graham Ryken
Senior Minister
Tenth Presbyterian Church, Philadelphia, PA

Thomas Schreiner
Professor
The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, KY

Dal Shealy
President
Fellowship of Christian Athletes, Kansas City, MO

Paul Sheppard
Senior Pastor
Abundant Life Christian Fellowship, Menlo Park, CA

R. C. Sproul
Chairman
Ligonier Ministries, Lake Mary, FL

Randy Stinson
Exec. Director
Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, Louisville, KY

Charles R. Swindoll
Senior Pastor, Sonebriar Community Church, Frisco, TX
Chancellor, Dallas Theological Seminary

Joni Eareckson Tada
Founder & President
Joni & Friends, Agoura, CA

Terry Taylor
President Emeritus
U.S. Navigators

Derek W. H. Thomas
Professor
Reformed Theological Seminary, Jackson, MS

John F. Walvoord
Chancellor Emeritus
Dallas Theological Seminary, Dallas, TX

Bruce Ware
Professor
The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Louisville, KY

Stu Weber
Pastor
Good Shepherd Community Church, Gresham, OR

William C. Weinrich
Professor
Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne, IN

Dean O. Wenthe
President
Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne, IN

Donald E. Wildmon
President
American Family Association, Tupelo, MS

Bruce Wilkinson
Author, Missionary to S. Africa, Norcross, GA

P.Bunny Wilson
Fellowship West International Ministries, Pasadena

TNIV-Part 2

 

Old news: Zondervan to release de-genderized NIV

 

 

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